THE BEST ALL AROUND CARBON DISC WHEELSET
In this review, I’ll share our reviews and give you my ratings of the leading all-around carbon disc wheelsets that perform well on a wide range of road terrain and racing disciplines.
TL;DR (click for more)
- All-around carbon disc wheelsets, now in their 4th generation, are faster, more comfortable, and do more things well on a wider range of terrain than the best carbon rim brake wheels ever did.
- When choosing between these wheels, their versatility, aero drag (momentum), sidewind stability, lateral stiffness, vertical compliance, and responsiveness matter most for similarly priced models.
- We rate the Zipp 454 NSW (available here, here, and here) and the ENVE SES 4.5 (available here, here, here, and here) our best performing and recommended all-around carbon disc wheelsets.
- You can compare the performance ratings, prices, and specs of all the wheelsets in this category including all-arounders from Bontrager, Cadex, Campagnolo, DT Swiss, Shimano, and Roval.
- For budget-priced carbon all-around wheels, see my reviews of the Best Value Carbon Wheels.
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CARBON DISC WHEELSET DEVELOPMENTS
We’ve now seen a 4th generation of the evolution of carbon disc wheelsets. What started as modifications of rim brake wheels is the only new carbon wheelset choice you have.
While it’s still early in this latest generation and most carbon disc brake wheelsets available to us enthusiasts are 3rd generation ones, the 4th generation of wider, lighter, tubeless-only, and hookless rims are upon us.
Many of the latest generation wheelsets will also be less expensive than those from the prior generation and, thanks to new standards, will be easier to install tires on, though they will still not be as easy as clinchers.
Carbon Disc Wheelset Evolution 2014-2022
The most notable takeaway for me after assembling this chart is how quickly things have changed and how much the latest generation of all-around wheels for road disc bikes are different than those we rode just a few years ago on our rim brake bikes.
In fact, most of the leading wheelset companies have stopped selling carbon rim brake wheels, and all development time and money is spent on disc brake wheels. That’s why I’ve called the 4th generation “All In On Disc Brake Wheels.”
These changes have made the all-around carbon disc wheelset faster, more comfortable, more durable, and more versatile than all-around rim brake wheels ever were without any effect on stiffness, acceleration, or handling.
Remember when better braking was all that most people fixed on when talking about the benefits of going to road disc bikes? Well, the ability to get all the benefits I just summarized is a whole lot more than better braking, which was enough of a reason for many people to go with a road disc bike in the first place.
Let me go through some of these benefits a bit more.
Faster – Wider rims mean you can run some 28C tires to gain more comfort without incurring additional drag. Wider tires also reduce losses or energy that saps your body from the road vibrations that come with a narrower tire that you need to run at a higher inflation pressure to maintain the same opposing force as a wider one. (See my post on how wide wheels and wide tires can make you faster for more on this.)
Most of the Gen 3 disc brake wheelsets were designed for 25C tires that, once inflated, will be narrower than the external rim width. This makes the rim-tire combination more aero than using 28mm tires when your speeds top 20mph/32kph. And aero gains are something you pay for when buying deep or all-around carbon disc wheels.
More Comfortable – Going tubeless allows you to run your wider tires at lower pressures without pinch flat concerns. Lower pressures make for a more comfortable ride and fewer impedance losses.
More Durable – The best carbon rim brake wheels use resins with high melting points to make it much harder for riders to warp them when they apply or drag the brakes. The trade-off is that these resins can make the wheels a bit brittle. While I can’t quantify the difference, dedicated disc brake wheels use lower melting temperature resins that are less brittle.
More Versatile – Because the latest generations of all-around carbon disc wheels have gotten wider, more tubeless friendly, and more durable, you can comfortably ride them on gravel and cyclocross tracks with the appropriate tires. Those with 23mm or 25mm inside rim widths are as wide as dedicated gravel wheels. Doing this can save you from having to buy another set of wheels to excel on dirt, grass, and gravel roads and trails.
A few words about tubeless tires. You’ll notice that tubeless tires are often mentioned in my description of developments and their benefits.
Removable valve cores, easier-to-mount rims, and a whole lot more experience with tubeless tires while testing all these carbon disc wheelsets have made installing them easier and cleaner and mellowed me somewhat to the minimally more added work they bring over standard clincher tires.
Lower prices, lower rolling resistance (lower than tubular or clincher tires), the ability to run lower pressures, more comfort, and having nearly every puncture seal so far have made me look past many of my previous objections to tubeless.
While tubeless still requires a learning curve, I can now say the benefits they add to the right rims can outweigh the diminishing disadvantages and make it well worth getting up that curve if you want those benefits. My review of tubeless tires lays all of this out in more detail and gives you my recommendations for the best ones.
WHAT MATTERS MOST
For each In The Know Cycling review, I evaluate category-specific criteria in four groups – performance, design, quality, and cost. The criteria that matter most in those groups for the best all-around wheels for road disc bikes are as follows:
Performance: Versatility, specificity, aero drag (momentum), sidewind stability, lateral stiffness, vertical compliance, aka “comfort,” responsiveness, and durability.
Design: Wheel weight and material, rim depth, rim inner and outer widths, rim profile, hub and spoke design, and wheel finish.
Quality: Warranties, crash support, and service/support.
Cost: Purchase price, cost of ownership, and replacement cost.
I use most of those criteria for all-around disc brake wheelsets, with a few exceptions and changes in emphasis that I’ll point out below.
You can’t measure a wheelset’s aero drag on the road, so, as a surrogate, we evaluate and compare how well different wheelsets maintain their momentum at different speeds.
Since the latest all-around carbon disc wheelsets are deeper than earlier ones, sidewind stability has become increasingly important.
And since all-around wheels are intended for a wide range of paved road terrain – flats, rollers, climbs, descents – and for mixed or unpaved surfaces and for cyclocross racing, and even gravel, versatility is key. Specificity, or how well a wheelset performs in a specific situation, is a criterion best used for dedicated aero, climbing, or gravel wheels.
Stiffness and compliance are important for all wheels.
Responsiveness, or how lively and light your wheels feel as you accelerate and handle your bike at different speeds, across varying terrain, and through a range of cornering situations, is a key measure of all-around wheels but less in others.
Durability is obviously important for any wheelset. However, we can only measure it on an exception basis since testing one set of wheels is not representative of the performance of the many wheels a company makes of a specific model. We also don’t test it long enough to induce failure. If it fails or has issues early in our testing, or we hear or read about shops and users reporting chronic problems, we’ll certainly report that.
Design specs like weight and rim width are worth noting but may or may not deliver the intended performance those specs are often associated with. A wheelset’s actual responsiveness, stiffness, and comfort on the road, for example, are far more important than the design specifications and new technology that we often get so hung up (and sold) on and that we too easily equate to those performance attributes.
Considering the range of options the road cycling enthusiast has to choose from in all-around wheels for road disc bikes, I recommend a Best Performer (independent of price) but not a Best Value wheelset (considering performance and price) in this review. For less expensive all-around wheels which unfortunately do not perform as well, check out my review of the best value carbon wheelsets here.
Quality is either a go or no-go in my recommendations. I won’t recommend anything that doesn’t have an acceptable level of quality according to my criteria. I’m also not going to recommend something that has superior quality but under-performs or has higher costs. When two wheelsets perform more or less the same, I do consider quality and cost criteria in recommending one as a Best Performer.
With all of that noted, here are my evaluations of the best all-around carbon disc wheelsets for road cycling enthusiasts.
ALL-AROUND CARBON DISC WHEELSET COMPARATIVE RATINGS
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Campagnolo Bora Ultra WTO 45 Disc Brake
REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
Best Performer
ZIPP 454 NSW – FAST WHEELS ANYWHERE YOU RIDE
If you don’t want to pick between wheels that would be fast on flats vs. on rolling hills vs. on climbs or in a training ride, group ride, road race, or crit, I recommend the latest Zipp 454 NSW Tubeless Disc-brake wheelset. It will be fast in all those situations and the fastest around in many of them.
At US$4220/£3376/€3798, it better be. But if top performance in a single wheelset in nearly every situation and against nearly every criterion is important to you, it just may be worth it.
That’s the conclusion that fellow testers Nate, Miles, and I reached after riding the Zipp 454 NSW.
At its core, it’s a stiff, deep, and light wheelset. Those three attributes, along with the 454 NSW’s fast-engaging rear hub, make it so responsive that it redefines the term “snappy.”
Practically, the 454 NSW’s superior ability to accelerate made it an ideal partner for 20-30 second break-away efforts and sprint finishes. Except for on the steepest of slopes, Miles said this wheelset “made me faster on nearly any effort I tried.”
And Miles is already a fast dude, regularly winning P/1/2 masters crits, road, and stage races in the Northeast and finishing top 10 at US Nationals.
Even for me, a more average B group level roadie, the sensation of riding this highly responsive 454 NSW wheelset was energizing almost from the first pedal stroke. Once into my rides, I felt like I had great legs every day I rode them.
Nate, our A group Bullet Train ride leader who rode the 454 NSW on some of those early morning hammerfests and out front of 100 and 140-mile one-day rides with 8,000 to 10,000 feet of climbing, initially resisted giving them up for others to test. Despite being a peace-loving guy, he paraphrased Charleton Heston’s line about prying them out of his “cold dead hands.”
Nate has been testing all sorts of wheels along with me for at least the last 5+ years, including the prior generation 454 NSW rim brake wheels. His feedback started with a most definitive statement.
These are the first wheels where I haven’t felt like I was making a tradeoff between aero and climbing performance.
I don’t know what they cost (I’ve trained him not to look at price or specs and just judge performance – ed). I’m sure it will be high. But, I would put them in the category where it just MIGHT be worth paying $1,000 more for these than others which are ALMOST as good but not on all characteristics. (Nate’s capitalization.)
Unlike Nate’s experience with the earlier 454 NSW rim brake wheels that wobbled in crosswinds to the point where he slowed on each fast downhill section of a looping road race, he felt confident on similarly fast, windy descents riding this new 454 NSW disc brake wheelset.
Miles felt far less comfortable in some windy situations. When the breezes picked up to about 20 mph and came directly from the side, it felt like he was getting a slight body check and was pushed around far more than with any wheelset he’s ever ridden.
It may be that the 454 NSW’s sawtooth rim profile is best at reducing crosswinds at lesser yaw angles than what Miles experienced and perhaps more similar to those Nate did. For me, I always seem to be riding into headwinds no matter what course I’m on, and it was no different riding the 454 NSW.
The only other slight knock we had on this carbon disc wheelset was its ability to hold its momentum on the flats at speeds north of 25mph. While the 454 NSW rolled just fine at that speed, it felt like we needed a bit more effort to keep pace with the average aero wheelset that is often 5-10mm deeper and 200-300 grams heavier. It’s simply a matter of physics and a tradeoff the speediest of enthusiasts might want to keep in mind.
You are likely doing a lot of handling when you aren’t on a breakaway, going over rolling terrain, heading up climbs, or sprinting for the line. And the good news is that this is another area where the 454 NSW outperforms most wheelsets.
We experienced precise, confident, high-speed cornering. These carbon disc wheels do exactly what you want them to do in big arc turns, 50+mph downhills, slower switchbacks, and even quick, last-second movements.
With the right tires and at the right pressures, the ride is also very comfortable, no matter how good the pavement is. While many all-around wheels are similarly compliant nowadays, some wheels around the 454 NSW’s depth tend to give up comfort by using a narrower rim to keep weight down. You make no such trade-off with these Zipps.
Add to all of this a very smooth rolling hubset and almost silent, fast-engaging freehub. That makes it even more tempting to start a breakaway and easier to crank up a sprint.
The 454 NSW defies categorization. It’s the wheelset equivalent of a hors categorie climb, one that is beyond categorization.
Based on its 55 to 59 mm deep rims, you might think the Zipp 454 NSW is an aero wheelset. You wouldn’t be wrong. Judging from its 1388-gram weight, you might guess it climbs well. Indeed it does. Hookless, 23mm inside rim width will make for a very comfortable ride, right? Yes, and perhaps worthy of riding gravel, though we didn’t test it off-road.
So are these all-around wheels? Yes, that may be the most encompassing definition though it is faster and better than any all-arounder we’ve tested on terrain that never exceeds 5-6% up or down and faster than many aero wheels on the flats and climbing wheels on steeper pitches.
Perhaps it’s best to call it an all-everything wheelset. Or just fast anywhere you want to ride.
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Best Performer
ENVE SES 4.5 – STILL STANDS ABOVE
The second-generation ENVE SES 4.5, born the SES 4.5 AR, continues to stand above all other all-around wheels in the performance carbon disc wheelset price category (US$2000/£1600/€2000 to $3000/£2300/€3000).
In my on-the-road testing, I’ve found the SES 4.5 performs as well or better on the combination of factors I think matter most to your speed and enjoyment of road cycling wheels. It’s fast, stable, stiff, comfortable, responsive, and versatile. It’s got it all.
And it’s just a hell of a lot of fun to ride. The ENVE SES 4.5 seems to glide along the road with no drama as you accelerate from a start, transition from flats to hills, and take corners at high speed. It’s unbothered by crosswinds and coasts with nary a sound from the freehub.
To be clear, the ENVE 4.5 is no recreational stroller. Rather, it’s seriously fast, deceptively so with its relatively modest looks and quiet demeanor.
I rode the new 4.5 for the first time on a recovery ride at the end of a week of training full of hard anaerobic and VO2 max intervals. “Let’s just ease into it,” I told myself, never wanting to judge a wheelset I’m testing for the first time on a hard day in the saddle.
Despite being physically and mentally tired, riding the ENVE SES 4.5 re-energized me. It responded quickly and easily to my efforts, flowed through corners, and smoothed hills and rough roads.
As I put it through harder efforts in the days that followed – VO2 intervals, 7% climbs, and on-my-limit group rides – the 4.5’s performance helped me be at my best, or at least better than on other days with other wheels rolling beneath me.
Regardless of the specs, which I’ll get to in a minute, the ENVE SES 4.5 feels light and lively and maintains my momentum in the 20mph/32mph to 25mph/40mph speed range incredibly well.
It’s somewhat surprising that a second-generation wheelset, little changed from one introduced six years before, could still be the Best Performer among its all-around carbon disc wheelset peers. While others have certainly improved on individual performance criteria I use in evaluating wheels, none have reached the same level as the ENVE 4.5 across all of them.
If performance balance is a measure of all-around wheels and great performance across all criteria is the mark of the best, then the ENVE 4.5 still stands atop the rest.
My spec-obsessed evil twin always wants to get in the way of my performance-focused good twin and influence you. Well, I’ll give him some space to speak up here.
For years one of the key differences between the original 4.5 AR and most other road wheelsets was its 25mm inside width. That continues with the new 4.5 (25.3mm per my measurement) and is why I can run my tire pressure low to get the comfort I enjoy even on rough paved and dirt road surfaces. Other wheelmakers, notably Zipp and Bontrager, now make rims with 23mm inside widths for wheels of similar depth, while most other brands still make road disc brake wheelsets with a 21mm inside width.
On the outside, the 4.5 rims have widened a couple of millimeters per my measurements from the 4.5 AR to 32.8mm for the front wheel and 32.4mm for the rear. The rims have also gotten about 1.5 mm deeper, now 51.8mm front and 56.5mm rear.
The wider, deeper rims, says ENVE, come from adding their anti-pinch-flat design to the 4.5, something the SES 3.4 AR (now the SES 3.4) has had since it was introduced. Whatever, I’ll take the added width and depth if it improves the performance.
It seems so. With the slightly wider rims, more models of 28mm labeled tires can be used on the 4.5 at lower pressures to give you optimal aero drag and rolling resistance performance and better comfort across rough roads. I get into all the details of that in my tubeless tire review.
Note also that the front and rear wheels have different dimensions and also different shapes. The front wheel has a U-shaped profile designed to improve its stability in crosswinds, while the rear is deeper and has a V-shaped one to improve its aero performance.
In the last couple of years, Roval, Hunt, and Parcours have introduced wheelsets with different front and rear dimensions and profiles, though none are as wide internally as the 4.5.
ENVE’s measurements show the average SES 4.5 weighs about 100 grams less overall than the 4.5 AR did and, more importantly, their deeper, wider rims weigh about 110 grams less than the first-generation ones.
My demo ENVE 4.5 wheelset came in at 1518 grams with the Shimano/SRAM 11-speed HG freehub (a SRAM XDR 12-speed one weighs about 20 less) and with the wheels taped but with no valve stems in place. That still puts it about 50 grams heavier than the actual weights of the narrower and shallower Bontrager RSL 51 and Campagnolo Bora Ultra 45 wheelsets and 140 grams more than the US$4200 Zipp 454 NSW. The difference accelerating from a dead stop is minimally better with the Bontrager and Campy and more noticeably so with the Zipp.
While more and more rims come through pre-taped with valve stems in place these days, ENVE continues to send you tape and stems to install yourself. This video demonstrates how to install ENVE tape; ignore the part at the beginning about using clincher tires – it doesn’t apply to the current line of SES wheels.
ENVE justifies this DIY approach by wanting to give you or your retailer the option to adjust the internal nipples for spoke tension and wheel true before applying the tape that covers access to the nipples. Internal nipples reduce the drag of external ones by 0.75 watts per wheel in ENVE’s wind tunnel tests. It’s nothing to sneeze at for those who believe in marginal gains.
I don’t know about you, but even with all the wheels I test, I’ve never found the need to have a tension meter or trueing stand on my workbench. Hand and eye inspection can detect true outliers, and even with them, I’m not wrench enough to start messing with my spoke nipples.
I expect that ENVE ships very few wheels that are out of tolerance. Heck, they were among the first to offer 5-year parts and labor warranties on their wheels. So, they likely have a pretty good fix on the quality of their wheels, all of which are made in their United States factory. I would think most of us and our store mechanics would prefer ENVE tape their rims before shipping them to our doorsteps, even though some of us have become pretty good at taping them ourselves over the years.
If a wheel were to come in with spoke tension or true that’s not up to spec, I believe their warranty should pay a trained mechanic to adjust the nipples and retape the rim.
Note also that the ENVE SES 4.5 (and all current ENVE SES and Foundation wheels) use hookless rims and require tubeless tires whether you use sealant or tubes inside. Fortunately, the list of compatible tires for that combination is growing longer and longer and includes the top-performing tires from most brands. You can see the list of compatible and incompatible tires per ENVE testing.
For those of you still resistant to hookless rims because you want to be able to inflate your tires as high as you like without the worry of them blowing off, please understand a few things about the SES 4.5 wheels.
First, with the 4.5’s 25mm inside width, you won’t want to inflate your tires past the maximum recommended pressure of 80psi, even if you weigh the maximum recommended rider weight of 250lbs/113kg. They’ll be increasingly uncomfortable and slower above the recommended pressures shown in ENVE’s chart. As you can see there, it shows only 67 psi as the starting tire pressure recommended for the heaviest riders.
Second, ENVE has been making hookless rims and testing them with tubeless tires for years. For their 25mm inside width rims, they have established 80psi as the maximum recommended tire pressure and 90psi for their 21mm inside width hookless rims. Both of these pressure levels are higher than the ETRTO and ISO 5 bar, 72.5 psi standard for hookless rims of any width.
And ENVE only lists tires as compatible if they stay on their rims in their tests through 150% of the maximum recommended pressure. So I think there’s plenty of performance and comfort motivation to keep your tires well below the max pressure and a pretty good safety zone if you revert to your 20-year younger self in the presence of a tire pump on an off day.
Unlike earlier incarnations of SES wheels, where you could order Chris King, Industry Nine, DT Swiss, or ENVE’s own branded hub with carbon shells, there is only one hubset available on the 4.5.
Fortunately, it’s the ENVE hub with alloy hub shells, a direct drive model they’ve been putting on most of their wheels for the last few years. These are the same ones I’ve used with no issues (and performed no maintenance on) with the ENVE SES 5.6 and 3.4 AR wheelsets I bought to benchmark other brands of wheels with performance goals similar to those.
You can order the 4.5 with either an HG, XDR, or N3W freehub body compatible with your Shimano/SRAM 11-speed, SRAM AXS 12-speed, or Campagnolo groupset.
Finally, some ENVE wheelsets I’ve tested in the past have come through with hair-thin, 2-3mm long white lines in the carbon accumulated at random places along the rim’s spoke edge. While hardly visible unless you go around looking for such things (I do), I and some readers found this rather annoying and even worrisome.
The issue turns out to be only a cosmetic one, apparently caused by an oxidation side effect of the hardening agent used in the resin. While a sample size of one, the new SES 4.5 I tested had almost none of these white lines. ENVE is using a new resin in their new line of SES wheels that, in part, has enabled them to reduce the rim weight but also is supposed to address the oxidation issue that caused the white lines in the earlier resin.
We’ll keep an eye on this. Literally.
The ENVE SES 4.5 price has gone up US$300 to US$2850, and current exchange rates make it RRP £3300, €3800, though often sells for less in those currencies. It is available using these links to recommended stores Performance Bike, BTD (BikeTiresDirect), Merlin, and Sigma Sports. It’s hard to justify – you’ll need to make peace with your own budget watchdogs – but it’s also hard to say no to a wheelset that still stands above its competition.
BONTRAGER AEOLUS RSL 51 TLR – THE DEFINITION OF AN ALL-AROUND ROAD DISC WHEELSET
It’s easy to judge any wheelset by looking at what it does well, what it doesn’t, what it costs, and what it looks like. And, if you’re into design and engineering, add specs and tech to your evaluation.
I’ll get to much of that. But when it comes to the Bontrager Aeolus RSL 51 TLR, let me start with the bottom line.
The RSL 51 is the definition of a modern all-around road disc wheelset.
This mid-depth Bontrager does most of the things road cycling enthusiasts like you and me should look for if we can only buy one carbon disc wheelset. You can train with it at speed on various terrain, enjoy friendly competition against your buds riding hard on group rides, and do long-distance events in comfort. It doesn’t have any obvious weaknesses.
Its glossy finish and branding look good without being loud, it has a strong warranty and dealer network, and it’s priced in the same ballpark as other, less well-rounded alternatives.
The RSL 51’s specs are all modern without offending anyone. It uses the updated model of the well-established DT Swiss 240 hubs (Ratchet EXP) and has rims that are wider than most all-around carbon disc wheels (23.2mm internal, 30.7mm external), as deep as most go these days (51.1mm), and are hooked for riding with tubeless or clincher tires.
And at 1441 grams on my scale with taped rims rather than the weighty plastic rim strips installed, they are marginally lighter (about 20 to 120 grams) than most in this category.
No, the RSL 51 will not outperform a climbing wheelset going up alpine roads or aero wheels in crit race or the best gravel wheels riding off-road. For that, you’ll need all-around wheels with those strengths but other weaknesses or wheels designed uniquely for those types of events or terrain.
But, for an all-around carbon disc wheelset, my fellow testers Nate, Miles, and I found the Bontrager Aeolus RSL 51 TLR do climb quite well. Descending at high speeds is also a confident experience thanks to their excellent handling and unfazed reaction to side winds.
That good handling extends to flat roads where the RSL 51 tracked well through corners paired up with the 28c Bontrager R3 Hard-Case Lite and 25c Michelin Power Road tubeless tires we mounted on them.
Acceleration is another one of RSL 51’s strengths. Combined with their handling skills, this makes for a very responsive wheelset, important when keeping up with moves on a group ride and staying out of trouble in a paceline.
Despite their few mm of added depth, we didn’t find they were any faster or held their speed any better than other all-around disc wheels we’ve tested. And while they accelerate well and are stiff enough for mere enthusiast mortals like me, they aren’t the kind of max stiffness wheels you want for the kind of > 1000-watt sprints you might do in a crit. Bontrager does make wheels for that (see my review of the RSL62), but these aren’t them.
On long rides, the RSL 51 is quite comfortable and better than most in this category. The new DT240 Ratchet EXP hub is louder than its predecessor when freewheeling but not overly so and it’s a relatively low-frequency sound that I don’t find annoying.
At US$2700, £2100, €2500, the Bontrager Aeolus RSL 51 certainly isn’t cheap but is one of the better all-around wheels we’ve ridden. Using these links, you can order them from Bontrager and Sigma Sports.
CADEX 50 ULTRA – A GOOD OPTION FOR LUMPY RACES
The Cadex 50 Ultra’s stiffness is central to its performance. My fellow tester Miles, a P12 road racer, and I, a B-group rider, took advantage of that stiffness in a range of ways during our tests of this wheelset.
Miles used it to cover a lot of accelerations in road races and crits. During one 65-mile road race filled with surges, a promising break went away that he didn’t initially get into. He used the Cadex 50 Ultra’s stiffness on an uphill kicker to close a 10-second gap to that group.
The wheelset inspired confidence in both of us with its quick handling and precise cornering. For Miles, he could more easily pick his way through traffic in crits and dive into downhill corners in lumpy road races.
I was able to avoid a crash thanks to the Cadex 50 Ultra’s cornering precision. The rider I was following over-cooked a downhill turn and I cut a tighter radius on these wheels to safely get inside of his arc. I’m not sure I could have pulled that off with most wheelsets I’ve tested.
Add strong climbing to the list of this wheelset’s assets. Its stiff and relatively lightweight combination of rims, hubs, and carbon spokes (1402g as measured with an HG freehub) undoubtedly contributes to its ability to go uphill.
But, the Cadex 50 Ultra also has liabilities that limit its performance beyond road races and criteriums on rolling terrain.
While it helps get you up to speed very quickly, this wheelset doesn’t carry your speed as well as other, high-end race and all-around ones.
And on even moderately windy days (10 mph/16kph), I found the Cadex 50 Ultra front wheel moving all around. Perhaps they do better at higher speeds, as Miles didn’t take issue with their crosswind stability riding this wheelset during his spring training and racing season.
We both agreed that these aren’t very compliant wheels, the kind you’d find comfortable over a 3+ hour ride. As a hookless wheelset that’s wide enough (22.5mm inside width) to ride in the mid-50psi range with 28mm tubeless tires (we used Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR) for our similar 150lb/68kg or so weight, this Cadex’s compliance was disappointing.
At 60psi, the ride was harsh. Below the low 50s, it was mushy. And at the pressures in between in search of the best combination of comfort and handling, you still feel everything through the wheels, though they don’t jolt you.
Blame the below-average compliance of the Cadex 50 Ultra on the carbon spokes Cadex uses to give it above-average responsiveness and handling. While I’ve not tested them all, I’ve yet to ride a wheelset with carbon spokes that are both laterally stiff and vertically compliant.
The freehub Cadex uses on the 50 Ultra is also louder than most. When I apologized for it to the rider in front of me in a paceline, he immediately responded, “Yeah, what is that?” While some cyclists like an audible freehub, the Cadex 50 Ultra is more vocal than a Chris King or i9 and right up there with the most boisterous of those used on the less expensive wheels coming from Chinese factories.
If you regularly compete in lumpy, punchy races where quick maneuvering and repeated accelerations are key to your performance, the Cadex 50 Ultra is a good option. For a broader range of riding and racing, there are better choices in the all-around performance wheelset category.
The Cadex 50 Ultra wheelset retails for US$3500, £2650, €2850 and is available from BTD (Bike Tires Direct), Performance Bike, and Cyclestore.
CAMPAGNOLO BORA ULTRA WTO 45 – MORE THAN SKIN DEEP
Like most Campagnolo kit, it’s hard not to be taken by the stunning beauty and engineering precision of the Bora Ultra WTO 45 wheelset. The rich black rim finish, hourglass hub shell, recessed spoke nipples, and modest yet proud graphics draw you in.
As with anything as alluring as this wheelset, I was hopeful that its performance would be just as beautiful and precise.
In some ways, it is.
Judging from how little effort is needed to get it up to speed, the Bora Ultra WTO 45 feels like a fast disc brake wheelset. It doesn’t hold that speed as easily as an aero wheelset or the fastest all-around wheels do on a flat or rolling course. But, the lively and responsive feel of this Campy makes it feel quite fast when you accelerate from a stop or out of a corner.
The Campagnolo hubs roll incredibly smoothly, and the freehub is absolutely silent. I felt alone with my thoughts doing a soul ride or set of hard interval workouts on the Bora Ultra WTO 45. For me, that’s generally a good thing. However, if you prefer being accompanied by the sounds coming out of your freehub or drivetrain, you’ll not get that kind of collaboration from this wheelset.
Equally distinctive, and perhaps more importantly, climbing well is a true partnership with these Campags. They go up ramps and steeper pitches with relative ease.
At 1445 grams on my scale with valve stems in place, the Ultra version of the Bora WTO 45 actually weighs about 70 grams less than the non-Ultra model of the Bora WTO 33 we’ve reviewed. While it doesn’t weigh as little as a pure climbing disc brake wheelset, the Ultra 45’s feel as energetic going uphill as one that is.
In addition to its climbing ability, the Bora Ultra WTO 45 wheelset is quite responsive and tracks with great precision through corners. It’s a laterally stiff setup that accelerates well when called upon. My fellow tester and competitive racer Miles found them extremely stiff compared with the other wheels he’s ridden with “zero flex” sprinting on the flats or up a steep climb.
Our test period included several days when the wind blew 15mph/25kph. In those conditions, you must work with even the most stable all-around wheels to keep things upright. Coming from the side at those wind speeds, the Bora Ultra WTO 45 also gets pushed. The front wheel leans steadily away from the wind rather than with an erratic reaction. Counter-steering in the direction of the wind got me through it.
But on milder days when the wind isn’t blowing that strong or steady, it slices through the winds and gusts quite well with no steering or stabilizing adjustment required.
While sufficiently comfortable for a race-oriented wheelset, especially with the 25mm Veloflex Corsa TLR tubeless cotton (puncture belt equipped) tires we used for this test, you can’t easily optimize them for both speed and comfort on all paved surfaces given their 19.0 mm inside, 26.3 mm outside rim dimensions.
The 25mm Veloflex and Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR I mounted to these wheels both measure sufficiently narrower than the rim width, even at 80psi. That will give you ideal aero performance over the lifetime of the tires. The other 25mm tubeless tires and all the 28mm ones we installed on this wheelset are or will become wider than the rims and add aero drag (see measurements here).
With 25mm tires installed and at the pressure required for that width tire and your weight, Miles and I didn’t find these Campys to ride either plush or harsh. They were comfortable enough even on the 80-mile ride Miles took them on and not a noticeable benefit or drawback on the many 2-hour rides we each did.
If comfort is more important than speed or the road surface you ride is better with a wider tire inflated at lower pressure, you can certainly use 28mm tires on these wheels and perhaps make up for the added aero drag with reduced vibration loss rolling resistance depending on your speed and riding surface. But be careful not to drop the pressure too low to avoid pinch flatting or rolling the tire in a hard cornering maneuver on these narrower wheels.
I’ll admit to becoming somewhat spoiled riding a tubeless, carbon disc wheelset with 23mm to 25mm inside rim widths and/or outside 30mm+ ones that are well suited for 28mm wide tires. While there’s a good deal of science behind how wide wheels and wide tires can make you faster, I like to think of it as having my reduced aero drag and rolling resistance layer cake and comfort icing too.
US brands ENVE, Bontrager, and Zipp have been among the larger wheelmakers in this wider rim movement. The major EU brands Campagnolo and DT Swiss have stayed with narrower rims across their best-performing, mid-depth, and aero wheelsets. Likely tracking the introduction and acceptance of disc brake bikes in these regions, Campag and DT also continue to make the most of their top wheelsets in both disc and rim brake models.
I’m old enough to remember that narrower wheels can go fast too. Riding the Bora Ultra WTO 45 indeed reminds me of that when it comes time to accelerate or head uphill. At US$3000/£2700/€3000 at Merlin and Sigma Sports or more, depending on the freehub you use, I’m also reminded that it’s a beautiful, iconic Campagnolo brand wheelset that you’re paying for.
Without going deep into all the tech and spec details (performance is our jam at In The Know Cycling), know that you can get the non-Ultra version, aka the Bora WTO 45, for a good amount less. While it has essentially the same rim profile, it’s made with a different mix of carbon and resin, uses a different molding process that requires some post-molding filling and finishing and uses alloy hub shells. It weighs about 100 grams more, most of that in the rims.
The Bora WTO 45 disc brake sells for about US$2500/£1700/€2250 depending on your freehub choice. Use these links to BTD (BikeTiresDirect), and Merlin.
And if you’re as loyal to your rim brake bike as many are to all things Campagnolo, the Bora WTO 45 rim brake model shares many of the same attributes (rim profile, hubset, finish) as the disc brake version and Campagnolo rim brake wheels have long been known for the excellent brake track performance. It’s available for about US$2100/£1675/€2030 at this link to Merlin.
DT SWISS ERC 1400 – AN ENDURANCE RIDER’S WHEELSET
The DT Swiss ERC 1400 DICUT 45 is the endurance rider’s all-around wheelset.
While not a standout on any particular performance characteristic, it does everything my fellow testers Nate, Miles, and I look for from an endurance wheelset.
Riding the ERC 1400 on 50-mile group rides, I can confidently accelerate, climb, pull, corner, and comfortably roll along in the paceline.
Miles likes this DT Swiss wheelset’s ability to do almost anything on the road. While not the fastest wheelset in the kind of sprint, gap-closing, or long, hard efforts where Miles excels, it hangs in there against other all-arounders in the performance-carbon price range on his fast rides and races and performs notably better than value-carbon, mid-depth wheelsets he’s ridden in similar situations.
You can use clincher or tubeless tires on the ERC 1400’s rims that measure just a bit over 22mm wide between the bead hooks. Using 28mm Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR tubeless tires with sealant on these rims, Miles and I found the wheels most comfortable at inflation pressures 5 to 10 psi lower than suggested by calculators like the SRAM Tire Pressure Guide.
The rim designed by their partner Swiss Side is straightforward – the same front and rear wheel dimensions, not overly wide (28.5mm external), and with a standard V-U rim profile. Yet, the ERC 1400 remains reassuringly stable in side winds, as good as those using unique designs to keep you riding steadily on a windy day.
And while it doesn’t roll as fast as other, slightly deeper, and differently shaped all-arounders like the Zipp 454 NSW or ENVE SES 4.5 and isn’t as responsive as lighter, stiffer wheels in this category like the Cadex 50 Ultra or Campagnolo Bora Ultra WTO 45, you do feel the power you put into the ERC 1400 driving through the wheels when accelerating and cornering.
Of course, the ERC 1400’s other components – the DT Swiss 240 Ratchet EXP 36 hubs and aero comp straight pull, bladed spokes – and the company’s reliability track record are all part of the package. The latest 240 freehub coasts a bit louder than its predecessor but isn’t as loud as the pleasing sound of a Chris King freehub or as noisy and annoying as those on lower-priced wheels we’ve tested from Hunt or Scribe.
If you are looking for wheels to race on, you might want more performance – snappier, better at holding your speed, lighter on climbs – than what the ERC 1400 offers. You’ll surely pay more for them.
At the other end of the range, if you are principally a recreational cruiser, you might want a more comfortable and forgiving wheelset. While you wouldn’t likely get the versatility and all-around performance of the ERC 1400, you could find that comfort at a lower price point.
But if you are an endurance rider, keeping up a good pace on half or all-day rides across a variety of road terrain, you’ll find it hard to beat the combination of things the ERC 1400 does well at the price it sells for.
You can order the DT Swiss ERC 1400 DICUT 45 for US$2400, £1800, €2325 at REI, Sigma Sports, and Amazon.
Note that DT Swiss makes an ERC 1100 DICUT 45 with a 180 hubset instead of the 240 used in the ERC 1400. It also sells 35mm deep versions of the ERC 1100 and ERC 1400 in 700c and 650b rim diameters
SHIMANO DURA-ACE C50 – A RACE-FOCUSED ALL-AROUND
The Shimano Dura-Ace C50 tubeless wheelset, also known (by nerds) as the Shimano WH-R9270-C50-TL, combines the aerodynamics, stiffness, and responsiveness needed to excel in crits and road races on rolling terrain. It also offers enough compliance and stability to do long rides with occasionally imperfect pavement and variable weather.
For this review, my fellow tester Miles rode the Dura-Ace C50s while training for and riding in his spring race series. Fellow tester Aiyana, a light and fast former racer, evaluated these same wheels in the early spring before the roads were cleaned and patched, and while the winds were still a prominent feature on many of her rides.
Both remarked on the C50’s excellent speed on rolling, paved terrain, and comfort on 4-hour training rides, most of which included some climbing. The wheelset’s handling ability gave Aiyana great confidence in navigating the typical potholes and road debris of our New England spring road conditions.
The Dura-Ace C50’s versatility compares well to other all-around road wheels but doesn’t rival wider “all-road” wheels that perform equally well on road and gravel surfaces, many of which would be better for the longest road rides.
This Shimano wheelset shines on clean, rolling roads and at fast speeds. While Miles is always competitive in his age group races, he strung together a series of wins on the Dura-Ace C50 at the Killington Stage Race, Nutmeg Criterium, and Tour of America’s Dairyland crit series that had me wondering if he’d ever part with the wheels so I could send them back to BTD (BikeTiresDirect), who shared them with us for this review. (He did then I did.)
Miles and Aiyana separately praised the C50’s superior aero performance, or at least our real-world way to evaluate that characteristic, a wheelset’s ability to hold its momentum at 20mph/32kph and above when riding into the wind. I found it mildly surprising that the Dura-Ace’s 21.5mm internal and 28.2mm external width rims outperformed several wider and similar width ones, each mounted with a pair of 28mm Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR tires we use when comparing wheels. This again proves the value of riding the wheels rather than reading the specs or lab test data when choosing between them.
In addition to being very aero, the Shimano Dura-Ace C50 wheels are also amongst the most stable in windy conditions compared to others in the all-around category. Aiyana felt like the wheels were almost meant for the highly variable winds and rain she rode through on several rides. Miles reported smooth sailing in windy conditions and that he never felt the wind grab the front wheel the way it does others.
Miles heaped his highest praise on the Dura-Ace C50’s stiffness and responsiveness. Impressively fast in a straight-line sprint. So responsive going into and out of corners.
He felt they were nearly perfect for the fast, sprint-filled races that he enjoys.
As Miles reported, “I have total confidence these wheels will get me wherever I want to go and get there fast. In a race, I can vault forward on the road whenever I need to, sprint up to wheels I want to be on, and hold my speed really well.”
Perhaps because she’s lighter and putting less power into the C50 than Miles does, Aiyana didn’t sense the same snap or spring from the Dura-Ace C50. Instead, she welcomed their combination of aero speed, smooth rolling, and comfort.
While it’s rare to see either Miles or Aiyana coasting, they reported that when they do, the C50’s freehub (only available for use with Shimano 12-speed groupsets) is louder than most.
At US$2100 from BTD (BikeTiresDirect) and Performance Bike, and £1800 and €2300 at Sigma Sports, the Shimano Dura-Ace C50 is a relative bargain compared to other all-around wheels we’ve reviewed from the major brands.
It doesn’t quite carry speed like ENVE SES 4.5 or Zipp 454 NSW or roll as feathery as those wheels or the ENVE SES 3.4 and Zipp 353 NSW. But these Shimanos are right up there, just behind those sets. And, if you don’t want to spend what those Zipp and ENVE wheels will cost you, there’s no better road race-focused all-around wheelset alternative we’ve tested to date than the Shimano Dura-Ace C50.
ROVAL RAPIDE CLX II – RACE OR FUN MODE?
The Roval Rapide CLX II presents enthusiasts with an existential question about our cycling: is it our purpose to ride like we’re racing or ride like we’re having serious fun?
Of course, the two can sometimes be the same.
But riding in race mode is about getting to the finish first, whereas riding in serious fun mode is about having as much fun as anyone.
I raise this question because, for me, the Roval Rapide CLX II performs differently on several criteria depending on whether I use a 26mm tire that Roval recommends to optimize this wheelset’s aero performance or a 28mm tire that I generally prefer to ride for overall performance (i.e., versatility, aero, stability, stiffness, compliance, responsiveness).
To evaluate the Rapide CLX II wheels, I used Specialized’s 26mm S-Works Turbo RapidAir 2Bliss Ready T2/T5 (or “RapidAir”) and their 28mm S-Works Turbo 2BR 2Bliss Ready T2/T5 (or “2BR”) both introduced by Roval’s parent company on the same day as the Rapide.
Note that the Rapide CLX II is a tubeless-ready carbon disc wheelset, whereas the CLX was not approved for tubeless tires. While you can use clincher tires with tubes on these CLX II wheels as they have hooked rims, the best tubeless tires with puncture protection belts, including the RapidAir, have lower tire loss rolling resistance than clincher ones in drum testing that simulate road conditions.
Using these Specialized tires was the closest I could come to comparing the Rapide wheels with the same tires at different widths. They don’t (yet) make a 28mm size in the latest version of the RapidAir. And the 28mm 2BR uses the same compound as the RapidAir, just with an additional casing layer.
Yes, I did test the Rapide CLX II with 28mm wide Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR tires but not initially (more on this below). In part, that’s because Roval and Specialized designed these wheels and tires to work together (Rapide & RapidAir). Also, the prior generation RapidAir was one of my and fellow testers’ highest-rated tubeless tires across a range of wheelsets. In my judgment, the new RapidAir remains one of the best.
Interestingly, I can’t tell any difference in how well the Rapide holds its momentum for a given level of effort at speeds above 20mph/32kph – my surrogate for aero performance – with the 26mm RapidAir vs. the 28mm 2BR tire in warm temps. And neither does as well as the ENVE SES 4.5 (with 28mm Schwalbe Pro One TLE tires ) or Zipp 454 NSW (with a 25mm front tire, 28mm rear Schwalbes) against this performance criterion.
With the 26mm RapidAir tires mounted, the Rapide CLX II feels light and reactive. The wheels are very lively accelerating on a straight, coming out of a turn, and heading up a hill. They are very responsive and both fast and fun in these situations, nearly as much as the category-leading Zipp 454 NSW.
With the 28mm 2BR, that responsiveness is muted a bit and more on par with the average all-around wheelset. Is it the added 60g/tire of the 28mm tires? I don’t know, but I doubt it. The 28mm 2BR weighs essentially the same as the prior model 28mm RapidAir and only about 35g/tire more than the 28mm GP5K S TR. And aero is just as important as weight in acceleration. So maybe it’s just that the 26mm tires are a more aero setup.
The Roval Rapide CLX II’s compliance and handling are notably better, however, with the 28mm tires. No hot take there. A 10psi lower pressure and a wider contact patch undoubtedly explain that.
Regardless, the Roval Rapide CLX II’s “race-feel” comfort with 26mm tires (the setup I use to compare the Roval’s performance criteria against other wheelsets in this category) is on par with the average all-around wheelset and is certainly fine for the 50+ mile rides I did on these hoops.
I initially tested the Rapide carbon disc wheels during the late summer and fall months when there were enough days of 10-20mph, often swirling winds, to really put the wheels’ sidewind management to the test. And they performed admirably, as stable as the ENVE 4.5 and Bontrager RSL 51.
Curiously though, I did feel a few rather erratic tugs on the front wheel with the 26mm tires mounted on days when the winds were their strongest, something I never felt with the 28mm tires on similarly windy days. The tugs weren’t often big enough to make me back off of my pace; it was just something I took note of.
While I don’t know if it is related, the Specialized tire product manager did tell me their testing showed the 26mm tires were more aerodynamic on the Rapide wheels in head-on winds while 28s were more aero in crosswinds, though he wouldn’t share any details of the aero differences, wind angles, or testing protocol.
Looking at the wheels while riding along in the saddle, both size tires appear rather odd to me in the Rapide’s front rim. That rim measured 34.9mm at its widest. I’m sure there’s some engineering (or perhaps, marketing) explanation for the front wheel’s width, but it’s still weird.
The rear is a more “normal” 30.4mm outside, while both rims measure 21.0mm between the hooks.
And, like the ENVE SES wheels that started this whole trend, the Roval Rapide CLX II’s front wheel has a blunt nose spoke edge and measures 51.5mm deep, while the 60.3mm deep rear has more of a traditional V-shaped spoke edge and a toroidal rim profile.
The following spring, I mounted up the 28mm Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR tires on the Rapide CLXII. They clearly felt faster and more responsive than with the 28mm 2BR and gave me the added comfort and handling you get over a 26mm RapidAir.
Until Specialized comes out with a 28mm RapidAir, which I expect they will do eventually, I’d recommend riding the 28mm Conti tires over the 26mm RapidAir with this wheelset in both race and fun mode.
Finally, I’ll note three other considerations that may affect your decision about buying this wheelset.
First, I needed to use tire levers to install the Specialized, Continental, Schwalbe, and Michelin 25/26mm and 28mm tires included in my best tubeless road tires review on the Roval Rapide CLX II front and rear rims. In most cases, I don’t need to use levers with the eight rims of varying inside and outside widths I use to compare the ease of tire installation.
While I can’t measure it, I can only guess that Roval makes the Rapide CLX II wheels to the larger end of the rim diameter standard, aka the ETRTO and ISO 622mm ±0.5 mm rim bead seat diameter tolerance range, or has a shallower center channel. If so, that’s not unsurprising, considering that Roval’s first attempt at making a tubeless Rapide (the Rapide CLX) created an unacceptable chance of tubeless tire blowouts due to claimed structural issues in the rim.
So, perhaps they are being more conservative with the Roval Rapide CLX II dimensions to create a tighter fit between the tire and updated rims, something I can’t fault them for. And, needing to use a tire lever is a minor inconvenience rather than a deal breaker.
Secondly, the DT Swiss 180 Ratchet EXP internals used in the rear hub on this new Roval Rapide CLX II carbon disc wheelset make its freehub pleasantly quiet while coasting with a well-maintained chain. That’s different than the DT Swiss 240 EXP freehubs that are more commonly used on carbon disc wheels these days and are far louder than their nearly quiet DT 240 predecessor, though not annoyingly so.
So, you’ve got choices with the Roval Rapide CLX II depending on your purpose in life cycling and commitment to Specialized tires. You can race with primo aero performance and responsiveness on 26mm Specialized RapidAir tires. Or, you can ride fast and have serious fun on the same wheels with 28mm Specialized 2BR tires for better handling, crosswind stability, and comfort.
Or, you can let your mind and legs decide which mode you want to ride in with the 28mm Conti GP 5K S tires now and likely the 28mm Specialized 28mm RapidAir if and when they are introduced.
Either way, the Roval Rapide CLX II sells for US$2800, £2250, €3000. That puts it in a similar price range as the ENVE and Bontrager all-around wheelsets. You can order the Rapide using these links to recommended stores Performance Bike and Sigma Sports.
If you generally like what the Rapide represents but want to save a boatload of money, the Roval Rapide CL II – no “X” in the name – is another option.
The CL II sells for $1750, £1400, €1800, considerably less than the CLX II. It uses the same rims as the CLX II but is equipped with slightly heavier and less aero yet still very capable and always quiet DT Swiss 350 hubs and lower spec, round DT Competition Race spokes instead of the more aero, bladed DT Aerolite on the CLX II.
I haven’t tested the CL II but based on the hub and spokes used, likely not as fast or responsive as the CLX II.
The Roval Rapide CL II is available using these links to Performance Bike and Sigma Sports.
WHY I MAY NOT HAVE INCLUDED WHEELSETS YOU’VE HEARD ABOUT
Carbon disc wheelsets are a fast-growing and fast-changing category of cycling gear. The generation chart displayed near the top of this review shows how much has changed in the last few years.
In this post, you’ve got the latest, best, all-around depth, carbon disc wheelsets that are widely available to consider in this category. Several others are sold in low volumes or supported only within a limited geographic region or both.
There are several wheelsets whose depth might suggest they might fit in the all-around category. This includes the ENVE SES 3.4, the Bontrager Aeolus RSL 37 Disc, and the Zipp Firecrest 303 Disc and 353 NSW. From our testing, you can certainly use them as all-arounders but they aren’t as fast on the flats and rollers as those in this review and are better as dedicated lightweight, climbing wheels. You can see my reviews of them here.
There are a growing number of deeper, mid-depth aero (55mm to 65mm) carbon disc wheelsets you can read about here. While specializing in high-speed riding, few approach the versatility of all-around road disc wheelsets reviewed here.
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Thanks, and enjoy your rides safely! Cheers, Steve
can you run 28 tires on the ENVE SES 3.4 DISC? Do you condider the Mavic cosmic Carbon SL UST Gen 2 or 3? Witch one would you recommend between the 2 , Thanks you for the great reviews!
The Real Person!
Stefano, As long as your bike’s forks and stays are wide enough to handle the wider tire, you can run 28s on any of these wheels. I wouldn’t suggest it though as the aero performance wouldn’t be as good and I think they are plenty comfortable and handle great with 25Cs. For what it’s worth, I ran a 25C Schwalbe Pro One on those wheels and they measured 28.5mm wide which is a bit wider than the than the rims. I’d go with a 25C Zipp Tangente Speed a better aero fit.
For more on measured tire widths, take a look at the Topic of The Week discussion in my Know’s Notes post here: http://intheknowcycling.com/2018/09/14/knows-notes-september-14-2018/
I would consider the Mavic Cosmic PRO Carbon SL UST DISC a Gen 3. (I capitalized the parts of the name I believe you left out. They also make a Cosmic Carbon SL UST Disc and a Cosmic Carbon SL UST which isn’t a disc wheelset) I haven’t ridden it yet but rode the rim brake one and wasn’t excited about it. (see review here http://intheknowcycling.com/2018/08/23/mavic-cosmic-pro-carbon/). I know it’s a lot less expensive than the ENVE 3.4 but I think the ENVE will be faster and climb better. If it’s too much on your budget, I think there are better choices than the Mavic in or around that price point. The Reynolds Aero 46 DB would be likely be a better performer than the Mavic. Steve
Isn’t the official recommendation for Enve 4.5 AR supposed to be run with 28mm tires? I don’t know if they mean nominal or actual measured 28mm tho.
The Real Person!
Chris, yes the ENVE 4.5 AR is the exception to my recommendation to Stefano above to run 25C tires. FYI, 28C Schwalbe Pro One measure about 32.6mm @80psi on the 31.2mm wide front 4.5 AR. the Maxxis Padrone measures 30.5. While I don’t have the 4.5 AR anymore, I’d expect the new Zipp Tangente Speed RT 28 would measure closer or under 30mm and would be my suggestion for the best tubeless choice. Steve
Can you also run 25mm tires on the Enve 4.5?
The Real Person!
Yes.
Ok, thanks. I can’t decide between the enve 3.4 and the 4.5 disc wheels (with 25mm tires) on my pinarello f10 disc. I only want to ride on asphalt and now and then some few kilometers on cobbles during a ride. Also I go a few weeks a year to France and Italy to make some rides in the alps and dolomites. At home we make on sundays a fast flat ride with an average of 37 to 40 km/hour. What would you recommend me?
Peter
I have the 3.4 disc and the 4.5 rim brake. I like very much both of them. According to your pratice i would recommend the 4.5. They are great on flat roads but they also handle very well in mountains. My brother leaves in the Alps and has a F10 with the 4.5. He is very Happy with it.
Thanks Didier, do the 4.5 also handle well with crosswinds?
Steve
I think this is a very personal feeling. I am not personally that much disturbed by cross winds with the 4.5.
I think I might have accustomed to ride in reasonable windy conditions with these wheels…
The shape of the 4.5 is supposed to reduce the pressure on the rim, but of course you will feel the wind more with the 4.5 than with a lower rim…
Anyhow I use a lot my 4.5 during the year, and the pleasure is always very high and I would not like to change them for another pair of wheels. But this is also very personal 😉
The Real Person!
Peter, Didier, please note that the key dimensions and riding purpose of 4.5 rim brake and 4.5 AR disc brake wheels are different. I’d imagine the F10 rim and disc brake bikes are also different. Most relevant to Peter’s situation, best to check out the clearance on the fork and stays for the far wider 4.5 AR rims which are much, much wider than the 4.5 rim brake wheels. You also get the most out of the 4.5 AR if you ride it with a 28C tire and do some off road riding with it. You can certainly keep it on the road and ride it with a wide 25C tire like the new Conti 5000 tubeless but if you’ll be riding mostly on paved roads and doing a fair amount of climbing, you’re better off with the 3.4. Steve
Thanks Steve and Didier for your comments. I will get my bike in about 2 or 3 months. I asked my dealer if I can decide about the wheels when my bike is ready, because I also have to deal with the esthetic point of view… What will look better in my F10 ?
Thank you Steve. I will probably go with the Enves 3.4 I think they are a good all around wheelset.
Last question are Chris King Hubs worth the extra $$
The Real Person!
From what I read in your comments, I don’t think you’d notice a performance difference. (I personally don’t either; others might.) They do provide a distinctive classic freehub noise that some people like but most hubs are moving to something more quiet. It’s a personal preference.
Hi,
Do you have any thoughts on the enve 5.6 disc as all rounders?
Thanks
The Real Person!
No. That’s really more a TT/Triathlon wheelset
Checkout the updated Reynolds All Road Aero wheels…better pricing than before with a lighter “X” version. I don’t think some of the specs are accurate, since the weights for X and non-X versions are the same. One curious choice is that most of the disc wheels have 21mm internal / 30mm external widths, but the 58 depth version is 19mm.
The Real Person!
Thanks Chris. Nate and I have been testing the new AR 41 rim and disc brake wheelsets but nothing that deep yet. Hope to do so. A lot of aero bikes have narrower fork and stay widths so that might be why they are going narrower in the 58 but that’s only speculation on my part. You might want to give them a call to ask about the width and weight questions you raised. Steve
Excited to hear your take on the AR wheelsets and other 3rd gen affordable options. I’ve sent Reynolds an email about the discrepancies, so I’ll update here if I hear from them.
FYI, I got an email response back from Reynolds and the website has a lot of mistaken specs. Suffice it to say, the higher level builds have impressive weight specs.
They sent me a 2019 Salesbook with all the right weights, widths, and different specs for different level wheels. I couldn’t attach it to this reply but I can send it to you by email or you can just get it from Reynolds.
what is the actual weight of the AR41x Disc Break Wheelset?
The Real Person!
The AR41 DB I tested weighed 1630g including the pre-installed rim strips
Here are some disc brake weights from the Salesbook. Black label seems the lightest, then X, then regular. Most of the difference seems to be lighter and/or bladed spokes, brass vs alloy nipples, and sometimes different hubs.
AR 29 X DB – 1455g, AR 29 DB – 1520, AR 41 X DB – 1565, AR 41 DB – 1630, AR 58/62 X DB – 1668, AR 58/62 DB – 1730, ATR 700 Black Label – 1526, ATR 700 X – 1620, ATR 700 – 1685.
Thank you, Steve. Greay information as always. Do you have any info on the DT Swiss CRC 1400 Spline wheelset?
The Real Person!
John, No. Haven’t reviewed that one. Steve
have you heard of spin on t/hese wheels?
what is your opinion of them for disc brake carbon wheels at 28c.
The Enve website seems to indicate you can only run tubeless tires on the 4.5 AR. If that’s true, how do you get home if you get a flat while out on a ride?
The Real Person!
Earl, You run tubeless tires with sealant that closes normal punctures when you flat. If it’s too big a puncture for the sealant to fill, you put in a tube just like a regular tire. More here. Steve
Thanks Steve. It might be worth pointing out in your article that the 4.5 AR disc can only use tubeless tires (and not Specialized tubeless tires), with or without tubes. Traditional clincher tires cannot be used on these wheels.
Thank you for your review. I have a wheelset of ENVE SES 4.5 in rim brake and I am totally convinced by the product. Thus I don’t have any difficulties to believe that the disc model performs very well.
Still have you ever tested AX lightness 28/45C ? It seems to be a good product also
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Didier, I’ve not evaluated AX Lightness wheels. Steve
Any experience with and thoughts on the Reynolds ATR 700(x) ? … Very wide — Rim Width: Internal 23mm, External 32mm
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Aonghus, No experience. More of a gravel than a road wheel. I recently rode the marginally narrower, 100-gram lighter AR41 DB and was underwhelmed. Not as responsive or comfortable compared to others at its weight and width. Steve
Hmmm, disappointing to hear. I have the ATR700, which makes me wonder how much more responsive and fun your preferred wheels will be.
Steve, I know your AR41 DB review is forthcoming, but do I understand you that you found them underwhelming? I’m looking at those because the specs looked promising, but if you found them a tad off the mark then I will look at others. I’m looking at the Ksyrium Elites DB (alloy), but I’m also looking at budget carbon wheels if the are up to par.
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Darren, A lot of trade-offs you are considering. Best to develop a rider profile to help you decide what’s best for you. See this post https://intheknowcycling.com/2018/01/08/best-road-bike-wheels/. Steve
Steve, I already have a set of Enve 3.4 disc on my lighter primary bike that I call the “canyon killer”, for rides that include long climbs and mountain roads. I plan on getting two wheel sets over the next few months as the funding permits. I have two other bikes that I’m building up, one for long endurance flat to rolling roads, the other is for adventure/gravel rides. My initial plan is to swap the new wheel sets between these two bikes depending on riding conditions. So I’m looking at both an alloy set and another carbon set. The AR41 specs come pretty close to the Enve’s, so I was hoping they would provide a similar ride characteristic. I would jump on the Zipp 30’s (based on your review), but prefer the Shimano ICE rotors, so that means center lock (believe me I have tossed and turned considering your recommendation to use Avid rotors on the Zipp 30’s). So for the alloy, it’s between the Easton and the Mavic.
Picked up a set of Reynolds AR41x’s with the 25% discount Reynolds is currently running. Only two rides on them so far, but I’m impressed. To me they feel solid and comfortable. Since they are very close to the specs of the Enve 3.4 looking down at the front wheel on a ride they look the same, and I forget which wheel set I’m riding. I need to do a ride on the AR41x’s, and then immediately do the same ride on my Enve wheelset to really see if there is a difference.
Thanks Steve !
Hi Steve, I have a set of Roval CLX 32 on my current bike. I’m purchasing a new,’lighter disc brake frame and a new set of wheels. I was thinking of the Enves 3.4, but after reading your review I’m between the 4.5ARs or the Zipp NSW 303. I mostly rode hills, fast group rides, and road races. Any thoughts or recommendations.
Thanks
Rodrigo
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Rodrigo. Both good options. Would suggest read this post to come up with a rider profile and and help you decide which would be best. Steve
Sorry to ask a similar question to @Rodrigo, as I am also deciding between the ENVE 4.5AR and the Zipp303NSW. I’m trying to figure out which one of the 2 you would ultimately choose/recommend given your comment about the ENVE: “… handles better than any other carbon bike wheels, disc or rim, I’ve ever evaluated.” compared to the comment about the ZIPP: “…I experience comfort, confidence, and thrills at the same time from the performance of this versatile carbon disc wheelset from Zipp…The handling on these wheels was better than good. It took me to the extremes of confidence in cornering and made me darn near fearless.”
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Ovidiu, Sorry but my answer is the same as I gave Rodrigo. I don’t know your riding profile well enough to recommend one over the other. You are best equipped to do that. I get this question all the time. That’s why I wrote the post I suggest you read to help you decide. Steve
What is your opinion for Shimano Dura Ace R9170 carbon disc wheel set?
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Paschalis, haven’t tested either the C40 or C60 models yet. They came out about a year after they were announced and I couldn’t get one to test this past summer when I was preparing this review. Hopefully I will in 2019 and include in a new review on lower priced wheels I’ve been working on.
I assume you are asking about the C40. While I’ve liked the Dura-Ace hubs in the past, the rim width and depth on the C40 don’t get me excited as they are shallower and narrower than those I’ve rated best for performance. I don’t judge a wheel on its specs but wider, deeper wheels tend to be more comfortable and aero than narrower, shallower ones. These are market priced in the USD$1500 range so may be a good alternative for those looking for a value road disc wheelset if not a top performer. Steve
I bought a set of Enve SES 3.4 disc with my new bike. After the first ride the surface of the rims was full of cracks and there appeared white lines. After contacting Enve several times the European client service asked to return the wheels so they could solve the problem. When I returned the wheels to my dealer after the season, Enve tells me that the cracks in the surface are cosmetic marks, which are small variances, a result of not using paint, filler, cosmetic weave layers. I don’t call this small variances (see picture). Enve won’t replace the rims and only offers me new rims at 50% off of my local MSRP. I don’t expect this when I buy a wheelset of this price. Next time I buy a set of Rovals….
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rremco, While I don’t know the specifics of your situation, I’d suggest you talk directly with ENVE about this. While infrequent, what you report is a known issue that should be addressed by their 5-year warranty, plain and simple. I bought SES 3.4 wheels from ENVE, had a similar issue, called and sent photos, and they replaced the wheels without a question. I wrote about the experience in my first review of these wheels and thought the whole experience was actually something that spoke well of ENVE. Steve
Hi Steve, when the problem occured, the customer service in Belgium/France told me that they would solve the issue. Now my dealer wants to return the wheels, they receive a message that they don’t adresse the issue to their warranty. Even after reminding them of their affirmation they only offer me to replace the rims as a crash replacement, which means I have to pay another 50% of the price of the rims. In their opinion that is the way they solve the issue.I don’t know the price of the rims, but I assume it will cost me at least another € 1000.
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… work with ENVE directly…some dealers have conflicting motivations…
I tried, I have had contact with 4 different persons of the client service in the usa and the client service in Europe. They copy/paste a standard response about the surface issue…..
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Remco, What I learned in speaking with Clay at ENVE’s US customer support line is that the European distributors keep fewer products in stock than the US operations do and therefore exercise more discretion in deciding whether or not to replace the wheels under warranty policy as they did when I had this issue a few years ago or offer a 50% discount as they offered you.
Clay, suggested you contact him by mailing your documentation to his attention to [email protected] and he’ll take a look into it. You can also phone him at the US support line at 877-358-2869. Please let me know how you make out. Steve
Hi Steve, I mailed my documentation again to Enve referring to your contact with Enve. Instead of their earlier proposal with a 50% discount on the MSRP they now offered to send me a new set of rims after I destroy my own set and have sent a photo of that. The rebuild costs and shipping/ import costs are my responsibility, and they stated that there will not be any further warranty to cosmetic issues.
Althoug I still beleive a wheelset of this price should not have such bad cosmetic issues and shoud be replaced completely under warranty, I accepted their offer. My bike-dealer received the new rims yesterday. I hope to be on the road with the new rims soon. Thanks a lot for your help!
What is your opinion for Alto wheelset? Have you ever tried one of them?
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Paschalis, Haven’t. Will look into them. Thanks. Steve
Hi Steve, what is your current best value carbon disc wheelset recommendation please?
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Tony, I currently don’t have a best value recommendation but am working to find one. Steve
Tony, Steve
A good article has been released in 2017 by the famous german magazine Tour-magazin.de (you can get it free of charge on their website, but it is in german, thank you google trad…).
They had compared 22 disc wheelsets on 5 different criteria.
According to them, the best value for money is the Fulcrum Quatro DB Carbon. I think you might get them around 1000$ in the US/less than 1000€ in Europe.
If money is not an issue, two other wheelsets come on the podium : Enve 4.5 AR and AX Lightness Ultra 45. But for the price of one you get 3 Fulcrum.
Anyhow I chose for my disc bike the Enve 3.4 AR and I am very happy with them. I like Enve very much.
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Didier, Thanks for your comment. Road disc wheelset has advanced quickly in the last couple of years and that’s why I’m hustling and not always succeeding in keeping up (like trying to find a good value carbon road disc brake wheelset). In the Generation 3 world we have been in for the last year or so, the Fulcrums you mention are vintage Gen 2 wheelsets. Narrow, heavy, 6 bolt, not tubeless, not much of an aero shape to their rims, etc. I like much of what Tour does but I’m afraid their article and recommendation is out of date at this point. Steve
Steve, looking forward to your recommendations on value carbon disc wheels. I am curious about the Roval C 38 disc wheelset and would love to hear your take on these.
Hello Steve, some of my rides are short distance (under 25 miles) but they have a lot of rolling hills and few flat sections over that distance. It is common for an 18 mile ride to have over 1200 feet of elevation gain per my Garmin, though most hills are under 10% grade.
I’m in the market for a new bike (current bike is over 11 years old). That said, would you recommend the Enve 3.4 or the 4.5 for this riding environment?
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Charles, Either wheelset could work well with that terrain/distance. They both need at least 10-speed drivetrains and are likely too wide for an 11-year-old bike frame. Steve
Hi. I recently bought the Enve 4.5 AR and read your excellent review before making my decision. I have recently signed up to Letape du tour in July and was wondering given the nature of the race (up a number of long hills), would the 4.5 AR be a suitable wheelset or should I look for a pair of more climbing focused wheels
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Tariq, Looks like there’s a lot of climbing on that route. You could certainly do it with the 4.5 AR but a wheelset like the 3.4 would be better suited for it. Steve
Hi Steve, first thanking you as always for your great informative website. I switched to a DB bike and am finally getting around to buy a set of carbon DB wheels. I need the stiffest wheelset possible due to my 210lb frame and 2400W sprints. In reading this review its hard to tell which one of these wheels is the stiffest. And if you go to your table it appears as if the results are reflective of that as they are all labeled “0” in the stiffness category. Which one would you say is the stiffest? Oh and BTW aero is very important as I do most of my training solo and love pulling on group rides. Thanks!
Hi Steve,
Have you had the feedback from your ‘new testers with legs twice the size of mine’ on the stiffness on the Zipp NSW 303 wheels?
I am a heavier rider 100kg / 325 FTP so looking for the best wheel for me, you suggest the stiffer the better but its hard to work out which is the stiffest. Which would you recommend for a mix of rolling hills & climbs.
Thanks.
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Eric, Michael, thanks for your comments. While I made mention of the stiffness of these wheelsets in my reviews, I didn’t differentiate between them in the chart for some reason. I went back to my ride notes and I’ve now updated the chart to reflect the differences. the ENVE 4.5 AR and Bontrager Aeolus XXX 4 are the stiffest of the group. The rest are similar enough to put them at the same level.
Both of you are big, strong guys (that I’d want to draft behind!) so I’d suggest one of these two wheelsets. The ENVE is a bit deeper so likely more aero though you probably wouldn’t notice a big difference below 25mph/40kph. You can climb equally well with both though neither are really ideal for that purpose. The ENVE is wider and a bit more versatile but again we’re talking about small differences here.
First-world problems! Steve
Hi Steve, closing the loop on this comment. I bought the ENVE 4.5AR and paired them with Zipp tangente speed 28s as per your recommendations. Just came back from their maiden ride, 100 miles and man what a magic carpet Ride these things provide. They are faster, lighter, stiffer, more aero and more comfortable, in your own words, let that settle in for a moment. Of course they went thru a sprint test and even though i only managed to pull 2000W today there was no flex. Amazing wheels, thanks again for your recommendation!
Hi Steve,
What would you pick beetween the Bontrager XXX 4 disc and the Dt Swiss ERC 1100 knowing that ERC are cheaper by 100€?
Moreover what do you think of the Roval CL 50 disc? Would consider them as a cheaper alternative?
Many thanks
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Nicola, If you value the added stiffness and handling of the Bonty over the DT, I’d spend the extra money. The Roval CL series have a lower end DT 350 hub instead of the DT 240. It is a cheaper alternative to the CLX 50, though not by a lot, and I don’t see either on the same level as the Bonty. Steve
Thanks for the hints!
Any experience with FFWD wheelsets? They launched a new line that seems interesting. The new F4D FCC DT240 looks a fierce competitor of the ones above. What do you think?
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Nicola, Haven’t reviewed them. Steve
You stated in review of the Zipp 303 NSW Tubeless with the wider 19mm internal rim width “I’m holding back final judgment on their stiffness until one of our new testers with legs twice the size of mine comes back with his report after flexing this wheelset to his max on climbs and in sprints. I’ll update this review when he does.” …Have you any thing to add concerning this? Thanks!
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Thomas, Thanks. You’re the third one to call me on that. I had an exchange with Eric and Michael about this on Feb 5 and changed the comparison chart but it didn’t carry forward when making some site changes recently. Anyway, it’s there now and I’ve updated the text in the review now. Hopefully, that answers your question but feel free to come back to me if you have more. Chapeau for getting me to finally fix all of this. Third time is the charm. Steve