ZIPP 404 NSW – FAST, COMFORTABLE BUT NOT STIFF ENOUGH
The original Zipp 808 and 404 Firecrest wheels helped define the aero bike wheels category. The 404 Firecrest were among the first carbon racing bike wheels used in professional road races. Many pro and amateur racers also used the nearly 60mm deep 404 as a front wheel paired up with the 82mm deep 808 as a rear for time trials and triathlons. As more road riders took to triathlons, they used the 404 Firecrest wheelset for that event in addition to doing road races, group rides, and training.
Yes, the 404 Firecrest wheels were expensive but you only had to buy one wheelset to be fast across a range of riding profiles.
At just the time that carbon wheels, clinchers, aerodynamics, triathlons, and road racing became more popular, Zipp had set a performance bar. Zipp expanded the Firecrest line to the shallower 303 and 202 based on the same rim profiles and other design and ride characteristics that had made the 404 Firecrest so successful.
Other wheelset companies took note of what Zipp and HED, which shared the original patent for the toroid-shaped rim profile that led to fast wheels and applied it exclusively to tubular models, had done. Carbon clinchers with wider, rounder shapes became a very competitive market with established and new players competing with the design and aero performance levels that Zipp and HED started.
While Zipp went through a succession of different hub designs to make the Firecrest wheels more durable and improve their stiffness, the NSW was the brand’s first new rim design and replaced the Firecrest as Zipp’s new top-of-the-line wheelsets in 2017. This was roughly 8 years after the 404 and 808 Firecrest went into production.
Zipp introduced a second-generation NSW in 2018 and made the 2017 NSW rim the heart of its new Firecrest line, selling it for about $1000 less than the NSW.
While only a year apart, Zipp made major changes to the rim used in the 2018 404 NSW. While the same depth, the shape changed, its internal width increased 2mm to 19mm, it became part of Zipp’s first tubeless family of wheelsets and was offered in both rim and disc brake versions. The hubs that were entirely new for the 2017 NSW were retained for 2018s.
So a lot has changed in a short time. The brand name is the same but there is little about the performance of the 404 Firecrest that you might know or have heard about that applies to the performance of the 2018 Zipp 404 NSW wheelset
How do they perform?
The Zipp 404 NSW are fast wheels. Whether it’s the rim profile and width or the smooth rolling and quiet freehubs, both the sensation and reality is that these wheels roll fast underneath you.
While not quite as snappy as the ENVE 5.6, the 404 NSW is a very responsive wheelset that others in this category don’t match. That responsiveness extends to the handling as well. When you want to change direction, the 404 NSW does that very quickly.
They are very compliant rolling over the mix of surfaces you might find on a long ride. Not that you should, but you won’t feel the urge to alter your line or brace yourself for short rough patches you see in the road ahead. Instead, the ride is comfortable, pleasant, joyful, and fast.
The 404 NSWs aren’t as stiff as some of the others in this category and this takes away from some of the benefits of the wheelset as a whole. Responsiveness without stiffness gives you the ability to move out quickly but not the power efficiency to do something about it. And while you can get in and out of turns quickly, a lack of stiffness brings down the precision or riding-on-rails feeling once in the turn.
As Nate noted in his test rides, these Zipp wheels probably have the best absolute braking power of those we tested in this category. Don added that the brakes were clearly the loudest. I had a similar reaction on both counts in my test rides though I wasn’t bothered by the brake noise.
Despite the 404 NSW’s superior braking force, its inferior stiffness requires you to set the brake pads wider than you need to with the several stiffer wheels in this aero bike wheels category. Otherwise, the rims will rub against the pads as the wheels flex when you get out of the saddle or sprint. With the brake pads opened wider, you diminish the modulation or your ability to feather the brakes to vary the amount of brake force you want to use.
The net result of all this? The NSW’s brakes are less than they could be and don’t match the performance level of the ENVE SES or Bontrager Aeolus wheelsets.
Nate and I were also disappointed with the Zipp 404 NSW’s performance in the crosswind where its shallower 303 NSW sibling performs so admirably. Here again, while not bad and better than some (see the comparative charts), it required more correction than the ENVE 5.6 in separate head to head testing we did with several of these wheelsets on windy days.
Knowing the 404 heritage, I probably hold the bar quite high for this newest 404 NSW model. And it performs very well or holds its own against many of the criteria we feel are most important. But others have now passed it in several key areas.
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Great review. Interesting comments about their decreased performance in the hills. Thanks!
The stiffness or lack of is a bit disappointing at this price range but I do realize that Zipp markets this set as do it all, so I guess compromises are expected. BTW; my last year 404 same story.
Hi Steve.
Love your in depth and unbiased articles.
I just read your article:
BEST ALL-AROUND CARBON RIM BRAKE ROAD BIKE WHEELS – 2017
Where you seem to absolutely love the 303 NSW
Assuming the hubs and the breaking surface are the same between 404nsw and 303nsw, what do you think makes them behave so differently regarding braking and stiffness?
I own the 404nsw, but reading your piece about 303nsw, I might be tempted to sell the 404s and buy the 303s.
What would I gain and respectively loose by doing that?
I don’t ride mountains, only rolling hills.
Asger, hard to know what design aspects make them different but I’d guess the added rim depth and weight makes the 404s faster but not as responsive to accelerations as the 303s. If you are doing mostly flats and hills, speed at 22mph+ is your thing and you are a strong guy (250 watts FTP), you are good with the 404s. If you are looking for a little more versatility in your riding, do crit or road racing, and you aren’t that strong and think you may want to get into the mountains from time, the 303s would be a better option. Steve
Steve, thanks for your input.
I think I’ll stick with the 404s then, as I live in – very flat – Denmark, and unfortunately never ride in the mountains. I hopefully will in the future, but think it would be too optimistic to base my choice of wheels on that.
My ftp hovers around 300 and when racing, which I do 5-10 times a year, speed is typically +22 mph.
Actually 95% of all the guys I see race, are riding +50mm rims in this country.
So all in all, the wise thing to do is probably keeping the 404s, and spend the loss I would eventually suffer by selling used and buying new, on a pair of decent climbing wheels when I eventually will go mountain riding..
Regarding stiffness, is it correct, that you experience 303nsw as being stiffer than 404nsw, or is the 404 “just” more sluggish?
Thanks again
/Asger
PS. Do you think you’ll get the chance to review the newest FLO series?
Asger, it’s subjective. I’d say the 404s are slightly less responsive rather than more sluggish and did seem to bend in a way that the 303s didn’t when going uphill. That said, they certainly do go fast once you get them up to speed.
Regarding FLO, I don’t have any plans to review the new series. I just can’t get comfortable with their sales model that requires you to get into a virtual line once a month or so for a few minute window for the opportunity to buy their wheels.
Steve
Ok. Thanks again.
Hope that FLO fixes their sale model then.
/Asger
Any idea why the hubs are loud with freewheeling the sram Cassette and not with the shimano? I find that strange. I rencently starting using some 303 nsws that started off whisper quiet with a sram cassette then suddenly became quite noisy.
Erik, No idea. I’ve ridden the hubs quietly with both cassettes. Steve
Since this article was updated 1/21 what tubeless tires do you recommend to run (25mm) since 2021 version has that capability? Thank you
Michael, Have a look at this review of tubeless tires for some options to pick from. Steve